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In this final segment of my interview with independent journalist and blogger Richard Poynder, we discuss larger aspects such as the use of social media to talk about research and publication. Richard believes that the research and publishing community is still clumsy in its use of social media and that there is a need to fully understand the potential of social media platforms. Richard then shares some insights on a phenomenon that is fast catching on in research \u2013 Citizen Science. It is interesting to hear Richard interpret this trend in a realistic way and air benefits and flaws that may not have been discussed before!<\/span><\/p>\n

Richard is well known for his work, most of which he publishes on his blog\u00a0Open and Shut?<\/strong><\/a>\u00a0Among Richard\u2019s most popular publications are three series of interviews. The blog-based open-access book\u00a0The Basement Interviews<\/a>\u00a0includes Richard\u2019s interviews with leading advocates of the various open and free movements.\u00a0The Open Access Interviews<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0The State of Open Access<\/a>\u00a0series document Richard\u2019s conversations with open access advocates and practitioners. Richard is also moderator of the\u00a0Global Open Access List (GOAL)<\/a>. Over the years, Richard\u2019s work has received a lot of attention.\u00a0Stevan Harnad<\/a>, well-known open access activist\u00a0described Richard<\/a>\u00a0as the \u201cchronicler, conscience, and gadfly laureate\u201d of the open access movement.<\/span><\/p>\n

You are very active on social media. Which platform would you recommend as most effective to reach out to researchers and others interested in scholarly publishing? Would you encourage researchers and others with a keen interest to use social media more?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Yes, I use Twitter and Facebook and Google+. I think these are natural extensions to a blog. That said, I find Twitter most useful for my purpose\u2014which is to provide a newsfeed covering open access-related issues. Twitter can also be used for promoting new interviews and articles posted to my blog. But, in fact, I find old-fashioned email lists to be more effective at this, presumably because a single tweet is quickly lost in people\u2019s Twitter streams.<\/span><\/p>\n

Is Twitter a good platform for everybody interested in scholarly publishing?\u00a0<\/span>Possibly, but I do not think social networking is ideal for advocacy, not least because it tends to create echo chambers, where like-minded people gather together and reinforce each other\u2019s beliefs and prejudices. As a result, open access advocates can easily lose touch with what the rest of the research community thinks about open access. And if a hapless member of the research community expresses a sceptical view about open access, or makes what open access advocates deem to be a faux pas when discussing the topic, they can find themselves rounded on and verbally bludgeoned. That is not the way to win hearts and minds! Sometimes, even if a neutral perspective is presented, it might be shunned because neutrality is not always valued in advocacy.<\/span><\/p>\n

I think that publishers could be more imaginative with the way they use social networks, rather than just as promotional channels. Let\u2019s face it, it is pretty boring following a Twitter account that does no more than provide a constant stream of plugs for recently-published papers. You may ask me what they should do instead, but that\u2019s for them to work out. When they do, the effectiveness of this new approach will be visible for all to see!<\/span><\/p>\n

One thing that social networking platforms have shown themselves to be good at is conducting post-publication peer review. We saw this recently with\u00a0critiques<\/a>\u00a0of Shen and Bj\u00f6rk\u2019s\u00a0paper on predatory publishing<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n

We also saw it in 2010, when\u00a0Rosie Redfield<\/a>\u00a0challenged the findings<\/a>\u00a0of\u00a0a paper<\/a>\u00a0claiming to have demonstrated that arsenic-based life forms are possible. For obvious reasons, these critiques are usually posted on blogs, but judicious use of Twitter can considerably extend the reach of such critiques, and amplify the noise around them. However, the problem is that there\u00a0seems to be a reluctance<\/a>\u00a0from researchers\/publishers to respond to critiques that have been posted on blogs. So what people in the publishing industry, researchers and publishers need to do, perhaps, is change their perceptions about social media. Then they will be able to use it more effectively.<\/span><\/p>\n

How aware do you think the general public is about the concept of open access to research? Do people realize the significance of having research-related information easily available? If not, what can be done to educate the masses about open access?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I suspect the public has little or no awareness of open access and so does not realise the significance of having research-related information easily available. If lay people\u00a0are\u00a0<\/strong>aware of open access, they probably associate it with predatory publishing since the mainstream media have reported on this quite a bit recently.<\/span><\/p>\n

Finally, what significance and potential do you think citizen science has in the larger scheme of things today?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I think citizen science has a great deal of potential. But depending on how you define it, it is not necessarily a new phenomenon. There have always been amateur scientists, or scientists who do not have formal training, for instance. If you run a search for these two terms, you will find quite a number of pages on the Web devoted to the topic. The names that usually crop up on these sites include people like\u00a0Gregor Mendel<\/a>,\u00a0David Levy<\/a>,\u00a0Henrietta Swan Leavitt<\/a>,\u00a0Joseph Priestley<\/a>,\u00a0Michael Faraday<\/a>,\u00a0Grote Reber<\/a>,\u00a0Thomas Jefferson<\/a>,\u00a0Susan Hendrickson<\/a>,\u00a0Felix d’Herelle<\/a>,\u00a0William Herschel<\/a>\u00a0and his sister\u00a0Caroline Herschel<\/a>,\u00a0Thomas Edison<\/a>,\u00a0Forrest Mims<\/a>,\u00a0David Levy<\/a>,\u00a0Randy McCranie<\/a>, and\u00a0Srinivasa Ramanujan<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n

The problem I see is that citizen scientists appear, today, to be viewed primarily as free labour for crowdsourcing projects. So they are despatched to count butterflies, bugs or birds, or stare at images of galaxies on their computer, and then feed the results back to real scientists in the lab. This activity is clearly valuable, but seems to imply that the role of citizens in science is to do the grunt work, while the real science continues to be undertaken by professionals. I would hope we can move beyond that.<\/span><\/p>\n

It is worth noting, for instance, that some of those listed on the sites I linked to above\u2014e.g. Caroline Herschel and Henrietta Swan Leavitt\u2014began by simply counting things, or assisting professional scientists. But later, they graduated to doing real science themselves (although Leavitt received little recognition for this in her lifetime).<\/span><\/p>\n

I think the heart of the issue is that professionals tend to differentiate themselves from the pack by assuming that they have special intellectual skills that enable them to generate and understand arcane knowledge in ways that lay people cannot, and that this should earn them privileges. Some scientists clearly are specially gifted, but many would be more accurately described as no more than knowledge workers. Nevertheless, they do not wish to give up their privileged status as the gatekeepers of knowledge, and so they are resistant to amateurs invading their territory \u2014 a point made by\u00a0The Scientist in 1996<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n

Even open access advocates tend to assume that the purpose of open access is to make research available to other scientists, and only coincidentally to the public. The public\u2019s interest in open access, they assert, is simply to be able to see how taxpayer\u2019s money is being spent.<\/span><\/p>\n

My thinking, therefore, is that before we devote a lot of time to educating the public about open access, we might want to try and persuade scientists to reimagine their relationship with that public. This has occurred to me on a number of occasions when interacting with medical professionals. Recently, for instance, my foot started giving me gip. After sending me for an MRI scan, the consultant announced that he was going to fuse some of the bones in my foot. By way of explanation, he simply said the scan indicated that there was some degeneration in the bones. He did not talk me through the issues, he simply handed me a consent form and told me to sign it.<\/span><\/p>\n

As the consultant\u2019s explanations as to why I needed the procedure, what it would involve, and what downsides there might be, were somewhat scant, I asked if he could point me to two or three papers on the procedure that I could refer to. This evidently surprised him and he responded by saying that he could assure me the procedure has an 80% success rate. When I persisted, he agreed to send me some references to relevant papers. That was some time ago. I am still waiting for that information. Of course, if I do ever get the references the next challenge will be finding some way of accessing the research!<\/span><\/p>\n

In the meantime, I have put the proposed operation on hold, and am left wondering why it is problematic to give a patient detailed information about a procedure that a surgeon wants to undertake on him or her.<\/span><\/p>\n

One final point on this: The other day, I discovered that a relative of mine, a retired chief financial officer at an investment company, has posted 34 math papers to arXiv. These cover topics like the\u00a0Riemann zeta function<\/a>,\u00a0Euler summation<\/a>, and\u00a0Stieltjes constants<\/a>. I am not myself able to judge the value and quality of this work, but I note the papers have been critiqued by professional mathematicians and cited in Wikipedia. I doubt those who have commented on my relative\u2019s work know that he is an ordinary member of the public as he attaches only his name and his address to the papers.<\/span><\/p>\n

Recently he started counting the number of papers that he has cited that are available on an open access basis. He then records this information in the paper, along with an exhortation to others to make all their work open access, saying, \u201cthe mathematics community should lead the way on this by publishing everything on arXiv, or in an equivalent open access repository. We think it, we write it, so why hide it? You know it makes sense.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Why would he not support open access? As a member of the public, he does not have access to math journals, and so cannot access the papers in them. The question is this: do open access advocates want laypersons like him, or only other professional scientists like themselves, to have access to these papers?<\/span><\/p>\n

Thanks for the fantastic interview, Richard!\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Other parts in the series:<\/strong><\/p>\n